NSFs mis-used?(The late Mr Lim Kim San)

[NSFaccount]

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[mayannlee]

Ok, I'm an NSF. Still shocked and disturbed. Not because of the death of Mr Lim Kim San.

But us, being used and activated to work on 2 entitled weekends. To be ushers etc at his supposed funeral. To do the such work, perceived to be misunderstood arrows that were mis-fired onto us.

Frankly, I think funerals are solemn acts of respect to people. And great people. But I also feel that its not right to force people into having to go/contribute unwillingly. This isn't giving them the respect they deserve. Its for people who're emotionally attached to go pay respect.

I can safely say that 90% of the NSF's do not even Know who this man is. And that 100% feel they've been dealt with a "blow"!
Now, it is selfish to think about ourselves. This is what we're taught to think.
But nobody really realises the physical repercaussions of what an NSF would feel.
I know of people who broke down because they had to cancel their important commitments because it was COMPULSORY to help out and Contribute.
I think many of us are just tired of hearing out the same old stuff like
"Oh its an honour. He's a great man. We must step out in times like this"
NSF's can think. And I think that this time. We're just doing it because we have no other choice.

What do you think?

An NSF

Not only in NSF, where ever you work, I think you would be called upon to do 'charity work' even in banks at times for inter department of certain days where they decorate the office you have to stay 'overtime' to contribute ideas and help with the decoration or sacrifice your lunch time.
You have no choice - what to do, or else you will be deemed as uncooperative and calculative.
How would your senior appraisal you?

[Darksoth]

Boils down to 1 thing, Singapore wants recognition and don't want to lose face.

Just like another thread about his mom in A&E & wasn't attended promptly. If it's to be headline news, she will be immediately attended!

Gotta live with it. Somemore you're in SAF, better not discuss this or else they'll charge you for leaking information or insubordination! :D

[elephantman]

suck it up..wat to do?

[vege_table]

What a cry baby.
You asked. That's what I think of you. :p

[richardpatel]

Ok, I'm an NSF. Still shocked and disturbed. Not because of the death of Mr Lim Kim San.

But us, being used and activated to work on 2 entitled weekends. To be ushers etc at his supposed funeral. To do the such work, perceived to be misunderstood arrows that were mis-fired onto us.

Frankly, I think funerals are solemn acts of respect to people. And great people. But I also feel that its not right to force people into having to go/contribute unwillingly. This isn't giving them the respect they deserve. Its for people who're emotionally attached to go pay respect.

I can safely say that 90% of the NSF's do not even Know who this man is. And that 100% feel they've been dealt with a "blow"!
Now, it is selfish to think about ourselves. This is what we're taught to think.
But nobody really realises the physical repercaussions of what an NSF would feel.
I know of people who broke down because they had to cancel their important commitments because it was COMPULSORY to help out and Contribute.
I think many of us are just tired of hearing out the same old stuff like
"Oh its an honour. He's a great man. We must step out in times like this"
NSF's can think. And I think that this time. We're just doing it because we have no other choice.

What do you think?

An NSF

The education system here must be made in such a way that all our homegrown Singapore pioneers can have a place in our textbooks.For instance showcasing the inspiring lives of our founding fathers,the late Lim Kin San,S.Rajaratnam,Wee Kim Wee,and even present government leaders like our founding father Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
This is how we could reach out to the young-not to idolise these men,but to make their life story as a motivation for the young ones..inspiring them to forge ahead in even in the difficult of times etc..

[Bored_Dad]

I really wonder what they had taught you in your BMTC, and what your PC and Instructor ever taught you about, most of all, I wonder what your school taught you about.

You are now serving your NSF, you ARE liable to ALL national duties, not just those that is in your unit or department. When you are called upon, you are to do it, whether you like it or not, and yes, National matters and National Committment will be more important than your personal matter or committment.

Furthermore, now you are called upon to serve a late founding father of our Nation, one that had gave his entire life to build up this nation, more than that, contributed to build home that you can stay these days. You should feel proud that you have a part to play to see his final journey. There are people who wants to do also cannot, and yet you are in a special position whereby you can play a part in this final chapter of a great founding father of our Nation, and you are complaining about it?

I guess nowadays, many young people already forgotten the principle of life that, "Nation come first before home, without a Nation, there is no home", or "Xian You Guo Hou You Jia".

[AceTan]

I really hope NSFaccount is only a rare breed.

If he represents the majority of the lot, then I think this generation has degenerated into something I cannot bring myself to describe ...

without the old guards like MM Lee, Raja, LKS, DM, and the likes buidling our nation to what it is today, I think our parents would still be fishermen and carrying cargo on their shoulders off the boat quays, while you and I will be overseas eeking out a living and our sisters working as maids in a foreign land ...

a moment of respect for our founders please ...

[meowking]

I think NSFaccount's been so arty bombarded that he's gone into hiding now man ... well i guess our young nowadays are like that ... haizzz .. maybe NS training should become tougher, just to let them have a taste of what we went thru in the past ..

[diversify_diversify]

Hi ppl

Dont forget this is JUST TALK LAH he can say anything under the roof (except some sensitive issue) but does not meant that NSFaccountis like that in real life lol & LMAO

[NSFaccount]

I really wonder what they had taught you in your BMTC, and what your PC and Instructor ever taught you about, most of all, I wonder what your school taught you about.

You are now serving your NSF, you ARE liable to ALL national duties, not just those that is in your unit or department. When you are called upon, you are to do it, whether you like it or not, and yes, National matters and National Committment will be more important than your personal matter or committment.

Furthermore, now you are called upon to serve a late founding father of our Nation, one that had gave his entire life to build up this nation, more than that, contributed to build home that you can stay these days. You should feel proud that you have a part to play to see his final journey. There are people who wants to do also cannot, and yet you are in a special position whereby you can play a part in this final chapter of a great founding father of our Nation, and you are complaining about it?

I guess nowadays, many young people already forgotten the principle of life that, "Nation come first before home, without a Nation, there is no home", or "Xian You Guo Hou You Jia".

Sorry, i didn't know PC's in BMTC taught us about Civics and History.
But I'm not afraid to say, After this issue, its taught me to read up and find up more about him.

Worthy or not, this is not for any of us to say. But personally, he was/is a great man to many people. Whether directly, indirectly, he's made a huge impact on Singapore in various aspects. And For him we Mourn.

Don't get the misconception and target your attacks on young people. Its not our fault that we weren't educated about this guy. Theres always going to be a finger to point.

On top of which, I think that SAF has grown and it has always encouraged their soldiers to be thinking soldiers. To question, Not to follow blindly. To be co-operative but also to understand the meaning behind tasks that're given. I really appreciate that. In comparison to what most older generations assume the SAF to be like these days.

Anyway, to cut the long story short. I think I was Over-reacting to the physical effects around me. And I won't disagree with you guys, if that was whining or being selfish. For that I apologise & its pretty much case closed.

Regards,
The NSF

[AceTan]

we should start a new thread lamenting on how NS Training is now becoming so relaxed and litiguous nowadays

we're literally breeding a brood of limp wristed cry babies instead of blue blooded army soldiers willing to give up their lives to protect their land and country without a second thought or question ...

remember the Gukhas?

[Bored_Dad]

Yes, SAF have grown and encourages thinking soldiers, but certainly not soldiers that unwilling to perform his duty when called upon. When you are called upon to perform a national duty, that is something you can question too much, or to think whether you should or not, cause there is not the option. The option for thinking soldier is how best to do what you are called to do.

SAF have Core Values that guides us, I'm sure your BMTC should have learn a little of what are Core Values and what they meant to SAF soldiers.

It's very heartening to know at least you do realise your err, which I do hope it's sincerely from your heart and not a way to avoid further bombardment from the members in here. If it's the former, then I am glad for you too.

[Bored_Dad]

remember the Gukhas?
To some great extend, I have more respect for the Gukhas than our own SAF soldiers.

Their physical fitness and dedication and committion can out do any of our soldier any time.

[palm_of_thoughts]

To some great extend, I have more respect for the Gukhas than our own SAF soldiers.

Their physical fitness and dedication and committion can out do any of our soldier any time.

I agree on the Gurkha comments. I seen them train when I was in Tekong '93.

Gotta really respect them man. Till today, whenever i see them around, i will never fail to stop and admire them. Its not just their training (which is damn shiong ok), but its also their courage and dedication. And their pride for the uniform really shows.

But if i can be honest, a soldier's profile as a fighter in mind and spirit is moulded by the training and culture he is subjected to. SAF is not exactly the best place to instil such pride. Sorry to be blunt and i'm sure this is referrin to the black sheeps of the SAF, but my encounters with the SAF personnel then leaves me only with the impression that an Army Regular is one who slacks around waiting for pay day, constantly apple polish those with lotsa bars/crabs and arrow arrow. And they usually talk more than they walk.

Having said that, through the years, I'm sure the Army must have improved leaps and bounds. In fact, if not for my age, I will seriously consider carving a career with the Army today. :)

Oh, on that note, i should ask around in another thread if anyone is going for AHM 06 next Aug.

[kengz]

Poor NSFaccount.. he had to delete his initial message. All I can say is dude, never be afraid to express ur views. This is after all, a nation that practises freedom of speech.

[dawdleham]

i do not sympathise with you nor do i feel sad. I think your testimony here highlights a critical issue, Singaporeans are increasingly very much uncharitable nor understanding. Somehow, your account make you sound very selfish and childish. I hope that you are saying this because you just feel tired, but deep down you do accept that such gestures that you are doing goes a long way, not only does it respect the late Mr Lim, it honours the family of the late Mr Lim. I am not scolding you, but i rather that you take this incident with a more chariable heart, then you will feel much better.